You don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying.

1) Yes, I was mostly talking about websites, but.

2) Even for applications these frameworks are not easier, better, simpler, time-saving, or any of the rest of the nonsense you are claiming. DEMONSTRABLY SO.

Your obsessing of the heading part of my article -- a small piece of the total message -- is also quite a tell.

Try comprehending what I'm saying!

There are no benefits to those frameworks for any task that is based in any way in reality, fact, or reason. EVEN for web applications!

Unless again your only knowledge is blind copypasta, in which case why can't you blindly copy vanilla snippets instead of half-assed bloated hard to work with framework bullshit?

Because nothing says "easy" like using two to ten times the HTML needed, as much if not more code in total as the bad markup as you'd have HTML + CSS combined, whilst pissing away every single reason to even be using HTML and CSS in the first place.

Stop believing the LIES!