Jason Knight
3 min readAug 28, 2023

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A lot of quote out of context and misunderstandings here, but again it feels like everyone else's grade school inhaled upon the proverbial equine of short stature. TBL based HTML's tags on grammatical norms that I learned in grade school decades prior to his even creating it... and that people contest this makes me wonder just how bad everyone else's education was. This is fourth grade shit!

If H2 mean the start of a subsection of the H1 preceding it, how does making something like the hero or other start of main content that heading make any sense? You end up with a gibberish non-navigable structure.

How does THIS?

Make a lick of sense compared to:

THAT is how malfing stupid not using the H1 for the site title is. ESPECIALLY when every braille reader and screen reader I’ve ever used that’s worth a damn doesn’t read the contents of anything outside of <body> on navigation! I don’t think I could pull it up if I wanted to on the Orbit.

AGAIN, let's say the topic of your page is "This statement is incorrect"... does it make ANY huffing sense for "testimonials", "contact me", "social menu", or "Trending posts" to be subsections of that? Of course not.

And if you've used header navigation on a braille reader, you'd know what I'm talking about.

And I've answered you -- I thought -- before on this. I HAVE braille readers -- an orbit 20 and an old slate 310 -- and TITLE is not read. Why? It's not CDATA inside BODY. TITLE does many things in many UA's, but it's not magically read every time you navigate to a new page.

I'm truly shocked at the misquotes, out of context hoops and garters, and general "wah wah is not" to defend gibberish structure against simple grammatical norms I learned before half of the web developers out there were a twinkle in daddy's eye.

The only way it would make sense is if we allow more than one H1, which makes screen readers and braille choke even harder. AND AGAIN YES, I HAVE AND CONTINUE TO USE SUCH DEVICES. Started out with me testing, now it’s turning legit as I sit here 4 feet from a 65" 4k display at 1rem == 32px squinting as I wait around for cataract surgery.

Oh and that whole part about the “fantasy” of the document outline? If it’s such a magical extinct beast why was it ADDED to “nu” like a year or so ago? Is this the same type of hurr-durrz as the guys who defended Array.forEach over my preference for for..of by saying I was the one stuck in the past?

Though I do miss REAL Opera and it’s heading navigation, accesskeys navigation, and all the other features that other browser makers were too lazy to implement… You know, the features that Opera told it’s loyal fans to go F*** themselves over when they slopped the big red “O” onto Chromium any-old-way.

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Jason Knight
Jason Knight

Written by Jason Knight

Accessibility and Efficiency Consultant, Web Developer, Musician, and just general pain in the arse

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